CIOT meeting with Jim Harra, HMRC’s Chief Executive
Please see below an agreed summary of the meeting between CIOT’s President, Chief Executive, and Director of Public Policy, and Jim Harra, HMRC’s Chief Executive.
Present: Jim Harra, Stephanie from his private office; Susan Ball, Helen Whiteman, John Cullinane.
18 January 2023, HMRC offices, 4-5pm.
1. HMRC service levels.
This is an overriding concern to members though mostly this relates to the ‘taxpayer/customer’ rather than specifically to agent services. We mentioned the agent line restriction. Jim would obviously be well aware of issues and concerns. We provided examples we had received from members, which it was agreed would be useful to share so HMRC could confirm their understanding of the picture was similar.
Jim characterised HMRC’s position as stretched but not drowning: he advised that they try to prioritise repayments where possible. He spoke of managing the demand on services through existing channels and gave examples, such as webchat, to be encouraged e.g the digital assistant answers 50% of self-assessment queries. We had some discussion of what diversion of demand was and was not appropriate and the plight of the citizen if not appropriate. We discussed the new ‘intelligent SMS’ plan: Jim said in only 20% of cases had customers tried to find answers online before calling but they would evaluate e.g whether customers sent a link by SMS had to return to the helpline. We said evaluation would be key. In the course of discussion we stressed the importance of consulting, of informing us early if consultation is not possible, and reaching out to us to help where appropriate. The President suggested a postal tracking system where advisers and taxpayers could receive notification that their item had been received, with an expectation of a response time.
1A. In course of transitioning from this to next topic, Jim described the FST’s priorities which include simplification, guidance, evaluating the impact of the tax system not just financially but in terms of people’s experience. We need to find things which will reduce demand on HMRC as well as improve end user experience. The FST is keen on hearing stakeholder voices and we talked briefly about approaching this from a consumer impact angle.
2. Tax simplification - how will HMRC embed it?
Jim confirmed this is high on the FST’s agenda and that she would be keen to hear about simplification for individuals and small businesses. There was mention of simplification of HMRC forms and guidance. We mentioned the work of LITRG and we made brief reference of looking at other countries and in the context of the VAT threshold (should it be lower), the productivity issues and large failure rate in smaller businesses.
3. MTD post 19 December announcement.
It had been quite a challenging period before 19 December because of the turnover of Ministers. Ministerial approval has been needed given that the ‘savings’ from greater accuracy that MTD was anticipated to bring had been ‘scored’ in the government’s fiscal projections so relaxations had a fiscal impact. Stakeholder engagement was important to them on how to make best use of the extra time. We offered help with testing which we said was the type of area that had been more of a concern as things had progressed. HMRC were pleased that MTD for VAT had gone off with no major problems: we did not dispute that the ‘light touch’ on introduction had compensated for lack of extensive testing but counselled that the population was possibly ‘easier’ than at least the smaller in scope people covered by SA, even after the 19 December concessions. We will echo the preference for a staged approach when the President meets the FST and the need for appropriate testing periods and avoiding adding further requirements which add more complexity.
4. Future regular meetings
We agreed to arrange future meetings, where appropriate with other senior HMRC officials, and not to duplicate topics which are covered in more detail at the various HMRC forums in which we participate.
5. AOB
We asked whether there would be any communication about the SA deadline and approach to late penalties, as per last year.